Interview...
PP: You are considered a pioneer in the field of sustainability, having released books, articles, research papers, assisted companies in their transition towards sustainability and so on. You just released a new book on social entrepreneurs, what more was there to say?
JE: The book is called “The power of Unreasonable People” and it focuses on social and environmental entrepreneurs. As to represent that group of people, I can think of Muhammad Yunus who won the Nobel Peace Prize. These are people who attempt the impossible where mainstream would not dare to venture and they just go to these areas of market failure and they just try stuff and the stuff fails and they keep on trying new stuff.
The book tries to capture the attention to the reality that shows: look where progress comes from, not from reasonable people because they adapt. Progress comes from unreasonable people who don’t adapt and look at the world and say: that’s completely dysfunctional, how can I change it and even when it ‘s impossible that’s what they exert themselves to do.
PP: Is that what you were, were you an unreasonable man when you started SustainAbility.?
JE: Well, I started SustAinability in 1987 with one other person Julia Hailes who was then 22 or so and we didn’t think of ourselves as entrepreneurs back then. There were a couple of reasons why we “accidentally” fell into this space and we were just starting doing stuff. It’s easy to look back and say: “we knew exactly what we were doing” well we didn’t.
PP: What dominates in your work, knowledge, technology, nature, preservation, altruism, business, profit, a mix of it all?
JE: All of those and a bunch of other things. Altruism?, …….Well, I gave my sweets away to my siblings as a child ( the elder child syndrome ) but it’s not THAT that drives me. I was brought up in the country side and I had an amazing experience one night when I was growing up and it made me discover that there was this mismatch between the world we humans are building and the natural world in which we ultimately sit.
What drives me is a deep anxiety about the way things are done and SustainAbility is in a way in service for future generations. It sounds really wild right! That’s in a sense where I come from, the future is not going to work unless we change fundamentally.
PP: For many people like you, their calling comes at a young age. What did you dream of becoming when you were 12.
JE: Business was not a part of it in that stage. We were living in a farm in Northern Ireland and what happened to me, I must have been 6 or 7 and I walked back home late at night from a supper at a neighboring farm. It was completely dark, there was no moon and on this farm there were these flax ponds where they used to grow a useful agricultural crop. And I suddenly felt at my ankles this extraordinary movement, and I put my hands down and between my fingers were these young eels. I did know about the eel migration and after a moment of utter terror, I felt this extraordinary sense of connnection, which was a wider world, so it was not business but something bigger that came to me.
PP: Can you describe a day in the life of John.
JE: I am a reptile and find it very difficult to get up in the morning and I avoid that as long as I possibly can. If I am in London ( which is a rarity) at that moment and it doesn’t rain, then I go to the company by bike and cycle through a series of different parks and arrive around 9.00 am.
When I am in the office, we are a small group and publish a lot of reports, so I may be writing, or I may sit down with people from major companies or with social entrepreneurs. It’s quite diverse, there isn’t really a standard.
JE: There are so many. Can I do abuse your question and take two? When I was eleven I raised money for the WWF. This was 1961, the year that WWF was founded and asked their pocket money and got it for two weeks. So, I am on the Council of Ambassadors of the WWF and I like that organization because I think what they do for biodiversity is important.
But if I had to take one organization, then there is an Indian entrepreneur who set up Aflatoun, better known as “child savings international”, I am involved in that. They look at extremely poor young people - particularly in poor countries like India - and try getting them in a habit of saving. It’s all very well to pick people out of the streets but unless you don’t break the cycle of poverty you are not really materially improve their lives and what’s interesting is that banks now are getting interested because what you are creating is financial literate people and in the longer term clients.
PP: Did you have a mentor, or a particular source of inspiration?
JE: Many. I just made a bio for the new organization we are about to launch (VOLANS) and looked back at every person who influenced me along the way. If it had to be one, then it would be Max Nicholson, (who died when he was about 98) one of the founders of Wwf and IUCN. He and I set up a company in 1978 called environmental data services, that still exist. He had a huge impact on how I view the world and he just gave me confidence to do things I otherwise would not have done.
PP: Wind energy is getting more and more momentum, do you think that relying on renewable energy such as wind will change our relationship with Planet Earth?
JE: The answer in the longer term: probably yes. But there is also a problem in that these renewable energy technologies/products are not entirely clean or innocent. You mention wind mills and you should think of bird migration and the way it might affect bird populations and you think of biofuels and think of the impact on food prices around the world.
Yes, I think it is great we are moving towards a renewable energy economy, but I don’t think it is going to be painless or free of trade-offs. I think Governments have an important role to play in making sure the transition, as it builds, is done in a way that it minimizes the social and environmental repercussions, which inevitably will come from some of these new technologies.
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PP : According to you, what human behavior could improve in quality, if we would listen to the language of nature or imitate nature more?
PP: What is your wish for the future of our planet
JE: James Lovelock of the Gaia hypotheses, I hope that the world as we have inherited it finds room for us. Because it isn’t guaranteed.